oh yes thank you for the reminder. I did this with another one I did, but as it was so stiff, it was hard to put through the machine and hasnt been finished yet, I used fusible web with calico, so you can imagine it being very bulky. Perhaps its time to finish it and get it out of my way. I am just about to complete the dream weaver with ties too. but I am thinking as it will be a cushion too. that the octagon shape will stay. I used the blades of the dresden plate to do the points, although I could have used prairie points, find them a fiddle. well either way it was a fiddle. I have also got the dresden plate in mind for another tie one too. as I can us up the scraps. and thank you for your kind thoughts. We didnt have a good relationship, but my girls did, and really thats is all that counts.